Wednesday, October 19, 2005

Information Pertaining to IIPM

I think I'm finally ready to present all the bits and pieces of information on IIPM's European connections that I've collected so far. To minimize any possible bias, or heavy editorial voice, I shall try to present as far as possible only the bare evidence as it was made available to me. I would encourage journalists researching the story to make use of these pieces of evidence as they see fit. Anyone wishing to have access to the actual emails should leave their email address in the comments and I'd get back to them.

Point 1: Relationship between IMI, BBS, EBMS, and GCME

A number of blogs have pointed out that the websites of the International Management Institute, the Barcelona Business School, and the European Business Management School look suspiciously similiar. Well one reason is the fact that all of these websites are designed by the same man. His name is Thierry Kirschstein and this is his website.

Not only that the Dean of the International Management Institute and the Director of the Barcelona Business School are the same person, someone by the name of Freddy Kirschstein. He also happens to be the Dean of the Global Business Academy, also based in Antwerp. This Global Business Academy also features in the list of websites designed by Thierry Kirschstein.

I emailed my friend who lives in Barcelona (he grew up there) and attended ESADE, one of the best business schools in Europe. He has never heard of the Barcelona Business School.

I contacted the International Management Institute as well as Marc van Gastel, someone who lists teaching assignments at the IMI and EBMS in his resume.

The email I received from IMI
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:51:30 +0200

Dear XXXX,

Thank you for your email message.

Please be informed that an academic cooperation agreement between IMI and IIPM exists. As a consequence some of our

Faculty members are going to IIPM regularly.

Yours sincerely,

F. Kirschstein


The email from Marc Van Gastel
Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:21:01 +0200
Subject: Re: Request for Information
From: "Marc Van Gastel"


Thank you for contacting us. I am indeed one of the faculty professors, teaching Business Intelligence, CRM, Strategic Information Systems, e-Commerce, e-Business and Balanced Scorecards.

To get more detailed information about the institute’s focus, status og degree, etc... I would like to refer you to our dean, Prof. Kirschstein. The email address : .

sincerely yours,
Prof. Marc Van Gastel

So there is at least one person who goes on record to say that he has taught and still teaches at the International Management Institute. Which confirms that the institute does exist in some form. But what is the status of the degree/diploma it provides?

To find out I emailed NARIC-Vlaanderen, a Belgian government organization that determines the validity of degrees offered both within and outside Belgium for use within Belgium. This is the email I received from NARIC.

Email from NARIC-Vlaanderen

Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:29:22 +0200
From: "Onderwijs Naric"
"Patricia Michielsseune" ,
"De Coorde Christel"
Subject: Re: Message to Mr. Malfroy regarding Institute's recognition

The "International Management Institute" in Antwerp and Brussels is a very very very very very very private institution.
In earlier days this institution was called the "European University", which was a diploma mill.

The qualifications awarded by this kind of institution are NOT at all recognised by any Flemish or Belgian education authority.
Holders of such qualifications may NOT claim any academic (further studies) or civil right (access to regulated professions).

Sincerely yours,

Erwin Malfroy

I guess that settles the question of the status of the IMI degree and by association the IIPM degree once and for all (Editorial voice: I loved how he used very multiple times. Couldn't be more emphatic than that :)).

Point 2: Association of alleged international partners with IIPM

On the IIPM website are listed the names of a number of persons who are supposed to have some sort of alliance with the institute. I emailed as many names from the list as I could asking them about their relation with the institute. Here are the emails I received, and I reproduce them.

AW: Request for Information
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:51:45 +0200
From: "Baumberger, Roland"


Thanks for your e-mail. I have to inform you, that we do not offer any courses in IIPM but give students the chance to visit our Headquarter in Switzerland during their regular European Tour and talk about Human Resources issues within our organisation.
Hope that this is what you want to know, otherwise please feel free to contact me.

Roland Baumberger
Global Human Resources
Sulzer Turbo Services
Sulzer Management Ltd.


Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:55:14 +0200
From: "Jean-Daniel Pasche"
Subject: Rιp. : Request for Information

We refer to your e-mail and thank you for interest regarding the Swiss
Watch Industry. Our contacts with IIPM have taken place within the
following framework. We have received a delegation of students from
at our headquarters in Bienne (Switzerland) in order to present them
Swiss Watch Industry, the activities of our federation and namely our
fight against counterfeiting. We have not offered course in IIPM.

I hope this information is useful to you and remain

with best regards

Dr. J-D Pasche

Federation of the Swiss Watch Industry FH
Jean-Daniel Pasche

Miles Dodd"
Subject: IIPM
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:44:46 +0000


Thank you for your e-mail.

My connection with IIPM is almost nothing. I gave one lecture for them
about six years ago in Geneva, and that is all I have done for them.

In fact, I did not know that they were using my name, and have
them asking them to cease doing so.

I am sorry that I cannot give you better news, but wish you all good
luck in
your future studies.

Kind regards

Miles Dodd


RE: Request for Information
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:25:56 +0200
From: "Schelling,Thomas,VEVEY,Z-AOA"


many thanks for bringing this to my attention. I was not aware that they display my and other Nestlé executives names on their site.
We will take this up through our operation in India.
Again, suggest you contact the IIPM directly with your question.

Best regards
Thomas Schelling
Nestlé S.A.
Management Z-AOA

Update & Disclaimer: I have decided to heed to the concerns of some commenters of the dangers of the emails and adddresses in the post being misused by spammers. Hence I am removing the addresses. I would also like to declare that the communication was made to me in a personal capacity and not representing the corporate position of the companies that the individuals work for.

Update #2 Mr. Christiansen wrote to me saying that since Nestle has nothing to do with IIPM, he does not wish to be mentioned in the context of this issue. I'm respecting his wishes and removing his email.


Blogger Urmea said...

You go girl! Second career in investigative journalism, hmm?

Apparently, IIPM has removed the links to IMI on its website.

Seriously the only thing I have to add, is that one of the institutes that IIPM used to mention as a partner, in turn used to mention a 'Universitad de Moron' in Argentina as a partner! I was suitably amused although that appears to be much more of a regular university than you'd expect!

4:10 PM  
Blogger thalassa_mikra said...

Dhonyobad!! I could be the world's first Google-exclusive investigative journalist :).

Really? I checked the IIPM website, and they still mention that their degree is recognized by IMI and list IMI "faculty". Ha ha, Universidad de Moron! Yes they have more legitimacy than IIPM and IMI.

4:43 PM  
Blogger anantha said...

fantastic. if i had the powers, i would bestow the pulitzer prize for investigative blogging on ya. after reading these emails, i can safely conclude that the academic aura of iipm has the luminosity of a zero watt bulb.

8:06 PM  
Blogger Transmogrifier said...

Wow!! That is amazing work. This dean guy is giving the job of desigining these websites to his brother (or son) or some relative (surmise based on same last names). If that is true then cronyism runs in the "partners" as well.

Can you also ask this dean guy why two names for same school: IMI and EBMS? (they both have same contact address and possibly same campus). I won't be surprised if Freddy Kirschstein is Dean of EBMS too.

However the Swiss industry email does say that IIPM students went on a Europe tour. Wonder if it was paid by the students or by the school?

I think IIPM still has the IMI connection on its website. Also now they have their permanant faculty listed. (maybe I missed it before) but notice how many of them got BBAs or MBAs from IIPM itself (including of course Arindam C.)This whole thing is turning out to be more rotten on the inside that I could ever imagine.

Great job.

9:05 PM  
Blogger sd said...

Some Research!!! Great job.

9:29 PM  
Blogger indiacorporatewatch said...

Hey thats some really good piece of
journalism that you have done !

Wonder what IIPM has to say about this ?

BTW if you need a good laugh at IIPM then you might want to check out my
photo essay on them ?

10:21 PM  
Blogger Bonatellis said...

wow!! this is simply super work ...

11:09 PM  
Blogger Bonatellis said...

till date, i think, this is the most damning revelation on the issue ...

11:11 PM  
Blogger Rimi said...

i'm seriously, seriously impressed by the research! (and this is not because you left a comment on my blog, believe you me! :D)

this is brilliant.

11:34 PM  
Anonymous Varun said...

Great work! Am happy to see that someone is pursuing this in a very systematic manner.

And congrats for being a Google-exclusive investigative journalist! Maybe you can suggest this as a course to IIPM :-)

11:43 PM  
Blogger thalassa_mikra said...

Anantha, thanks. Perhaps the Pulitzer Foundation accepts recommendations? Just saying :).

Transmogrifier, actually if you do a Google search for Freddy Kirschstein, all you come up with is multiple listings of the BusinessWeek piece, the BBS website, and a listing in, which basically allows you to list your institute for promotion.

For a man who is the Dean and Director of three major institutes, Freddy Kirschstein is one elusive man!!

The expenses for the Europe tour are partly included in course fees and partly paid by the students.

Thanks for alerting me about the faculty list. This looks like a new addition.

Thanks SD!

Indiacorporatewatch, your website is hilarious!

Bonatellis, thanks. You are too kind :).

Rimi, welcome. I still think your post is way more interesting than mine.

Varun, I'm sure IIPM is furiously printing the syllabi as we speak.

12:11 AM  
Blogger K said...

I think the term is 'flabbergasted'...

12:33 AM  
Blogger the still dancer said...

can hardly do anything else but add to the list of 'that's brilliant' comments. but seriously, stellar work. mail ( A lot of this material could be used while talking to the media after monday's demonstration (hope you're aware of that) also, how did you hunt down the e-mail addresses?

12:40 AM  
Anonymous charu said...

brilliant, girl! take a bow :)
very impressed with the way you have followed up on the leads...

12:42 AM  
Blogger amit varma said...

Outstanding work!

12:42 AM  
Blogger Kaps said...


gr8 piece of investigative work. IIPM site says that the alliances existed in the past. Why should somebody speak about alliances (?) that existed way back in the nineties?


12:58 AM  
Blogger Gautam Ghosh said...

awesome investigation !

I'm so happy that as bloggers we do not bow to the dictates of big advertisers !!


1:29 AM  
Blogger anthony said...

That is I believe enough material to start a PIL.. and if any former IIPm student want to sue them..

1:49 AM  
Blogger Shivangi said...

And just to add to all of this, we all know that Mr Malay has never been to Berlin School by now. I mailed them to find out if the school existed before 1971 with a different name. Here's the reply". Apparently, they didn't even offer the degrees that Mr Chaudhuri seems to have studied for...

Dear xxxxx,
as you well researched in the internet the Berlin School of Economics was founded in 1971 as successor to the "Wirtschaftsakademie" (Business Academy). As far as we know there were no degrees which you mentioned below given by the Wirtschaftsakademie in the 1960s.
Thank you for the information you provided to us.
Kind regards,

Ingrid Sperber
Coordinator International Office
Fachhochschule fuer Wirtschaft Berlin
Berlin School of Economics
Badensche Str. 50 - 51, D-10825 Berlin
Tel: +49 30 85789 275
Fax: +49 30 85789 269

1:50 AM  
Blogger Shivangi said...

But what hurts me most is the fact that all this information is not being put to good use. Its useless if IIPM students keep believing that bloggers are digging all this up because its some kind of a battle btw us and IIPM. Its not. Its about fooling people year after year and getting away with it. Its pure crap...

1:56 AM  
Blogger Bart said...

Thatz something 007 wouldn't have accomplished. Hats off!!!

2:18 AM  
Blogger 42510 said...

Too much :) After his work experience, degrees, are seeming suspect, we should probably check out, which school he went to :)

2:35 AM  
Blogger K said...

42510: Sadly Rashmi confirmed that he was one year junior to her at DPS. I wonder if he was still butt-ugly then. By the way, I think both fraud-dad and fraud-son should get a new optician.
T_M : You have become quite a heroine of the anti-IIPM movement. We should celebrate when you do decide to return to land of origin. Beer (or whatever is your poison) on us.

2:41 AM  
Blogger Abi said...

Let me join the chorus of people saying "Great work! Way to go!"

But, I want to add two suggestions:

(a) Apparently, corporate e-mails are copyrighted (a friend of mine told me this). Publishing their contents without their authors' consent could be deemed illegal. Even otherwise, I think it is just a good idea to seek their consent. If they know that their messages are going to appear in full in a public forum, they might have worded them differently.

May be you did declare your intentions when you wrote to them. If you didn't, I think it is worth it.

(b) Isn't it a good idea to block out the e-mail addresses of those who wrote to you. Their presence on your website could be used by spammers. Also, they may have other privacy concerns (after all, you took great care to hide your identity and e-mail address!).

As I said, these two suggestions should not take anything away from the great piece of work you have done. Congratulations, again!

3:22 AM  
Anonymous Sruthijith said...

Wonderful job yaar.

3:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


4:01 AM  
Blogger Ambar said...

Amazing expose.

5:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a journalist with a leading weekly in India. Doing a story on IIPM. Have mailed a few of the people in nestle, suzer to find out email addresses of people listed as associates of IPPM on the institute's site, yet to get replies. Need email addresses of the people you have quoted so that I could get first hand quotes for my write up. Looks like you have reserached well. will be really oibliged if you could find time to help gullible students from getting robbed.

5:28 AM  
Blogger neha vish said...

Brilliant! My eyes were twinkling with joy as I read your post! You sniffed the IIPM rat from a mile away!!! woo-hoo

6:12 AM  
Blogger Chenthil said...

Just linked to this post in my blog. If your research is as good as your investigative skills, you will finish your thesis soon :-)

6:37 AM  
Anonymous Niket said...

Great work!

I hope you informed the people concerned that you may reproduce their replies on your blog.

Are you sure the people who replied to you are fine with their contact info published on your site?

7:13 AM  
Anonymous Niket said...

Oops, didn't read Abi's reply before posting!

"That is I believe enough material to start a PIL.. and if any former IIPm student want to sue them.."
How much of it is admissible and incriminating in a court of law?

7:19 AM  
Blogger gawker said...

Great job. Now how about the MSM doing something about it?

7:23 AM  
Blogger J. Alfred Prufrock said...

System, smarts, persistence. Kudos.
Have spoken to a couple of people in the media about this story. May I refer them to your post for data?

Question - where did all the money come from? All the ad-spend, his BMW etc. I doubt their claims of 3000+ students.

The IIPM site does NOT list faculty now, merely the courses taught.


7:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just to be clear..there seems to be a valid IMI in delhi that is in no way linked to all these scam artists and it is while the IMI we are talking about is

7:47 AM  
Anonymous Jagan said...

hmm.. are you busy with the next installment of this addictive stuff? [hoping]

9:58 AM  
Anonymous harini calamur said...

great work. i love the paper trail. it will be brilliant if ponytail and freddy baba turn out to be the same person - truly conspiracy theory.

10:00 AM  
Blogger thalassa_mikra said...

K, tell me about it! And this is probably the tip of the iceberg.

Arka, will mail you the emails. And nothing that good ol' Googly-moogly cannot achieve.

Charu, Amit, thanks!

Kaps, a field visit and lecture tour for students does not constitute an alliance.

Hi Gautam, wow you mean I can actually make money with this :)

Anthony, I very strongly suspect that very few IIPM students know what's going on. I've tried to check as many IIPM yahoo group messages as possible (those with public archives) and this issue is not mentioned anywhere.

Shivangi, fabulous work! So we can put doubt to rest about that part too. I'm sure once enough journalists start using this stuff, it would eventually reach the IIPM students.

Thanks Bart!

42510, I don't think Arindam's degrees are suspect here. Who's disputing that he got a gold medal from IIPM :).

10:16 AM  
Blogger Aditya Bidikar said...

Wonderful post. Let's see how they dispute this.

10:20 AM  
Blogger thalassa_mikra said...

K, if I escape getting lynched by IIPM faculty, then beer is very fine poison! A trip early next year is definitely on the cards. And thank you, you guys are the best.

Abi, I checked my post again, and I couldn't find any email addresses. Can you see something that I can't? I meticulously blocked them out before posting.

And certainly, these are not corporate emails. They are personal communications made in a professional capacity, and the writers were not averse to them being made public.

Sruthijith, anonymous, amber, thanks!

Hi Avinash, I'll certainly write back to you!

Hi Neha, for a rat that stinks this bad, not hard to smell out right?

Thanks Chenthil, if only my committee members would believe you!

Hi Niket, the addresses are already in public domain (but I'll remove them, just in case). I am not a lawyer, so you'll have to ask one. My gut feeling says that none of this is, but then, it is not hard to get NARIC to issue a letter on their official letterhead stating what they stated to me in the email.

Gawker, I do think there are many persons who work for the MSM who are working on the story.

JAP-da thanks! By all means, please do pass it around. The money part is what boggles me as well. Till 2000, which is when I left India, they were very, very minor players, with a small building in the Lodi Institutional Area in Delhi. This explosive growth happened in the last 5 years.

Anonymous, yes I am aware of the valid IMI in Delhi, and I don't think they are connected with IMI Belgium in any way.

Jagan, I don't think I'll do another IIPM post. I have an advisor to answer to :).

Harini, your theory may be much more credible than you think. The only three persons associated with IMI whose existence is confirmed are Marc Van Gastel, Luc Van Mele and Hans Hanegreef.

10:39 AM  
Blogger Aishwarya said...


10:42 AM  
Blogger Sleepyface said...

too much!

now, mr.pony will have to count his "universities" before they are "founded"!

11:10 AM  
Blogger Sriram said...

Atta girl!!! I'm a bit sad that i couldn't help you with this, but glad to now you did mail these folks.. great going :)

11:24 AM  
Blogger thalassa_mikra said...

Aditya, Aishwarya, Vish, and Sriram, thanks!!

12:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Fantastic work, as previously mentioned. Have been following the story on the blogosphere for the last 10 days. Need to thank IIPM and you guys for kindling an interest in blogging...hopefully will create a blog soon.

One interesting thing on the permanent faculty listed by IIPM. Links are available only for the economics and information systems faculty, and wonder of wonders, the 1 faculty member listed for each location is EXACTLY the same for probably the 2 most disparate subjects in B-school curricula. Of course their qualifications are all from IIPM...can you smell the rotting fish??


12:11 PM  
Blogger thalassa_mikra said...

Gautam, glad I got you interested in starting your own blog. Yes I noticed that too, economics and information systems by the same person!

They seem to be operating with a skeletal staff of permanent faculty. But the students are apparently satisfied, as reported by Rashmi Bansal in her JAM article. So perhaps they have a vast army of guest lecturers, paid piddling amounts per lecture, much cheaper than paying a monthly salary to permanent faculty.

BTW, this is not something exclusive to IIPM, most universities in the US are kept running by adjunct faculty who are paid per lecture.

12:34 PM  
Blogger Tc said...

you go girl! brilliant work!

1:34 PM  
Anonymous Prasad said...

One word - WOW!

Great work, keep it up.

4:06 PM  
Blogger Michael Higgins said...

Hi Thalassa
I was inspired by this excellent piece of investigative Internet journalism to write this.

4:09 PM  
Blogger Sagnik Nandy said...

i will just echo on what everybody else has said - a truly commendable piece of work. based on some of the commenter's reaction i gather that you are NOT a journalist and that makes the post all the more praiseworthy. clap clap!

4:51 PM  
Anonymous Sanity Starved said...

Wow! Brilliant piece of journalism there! No need to individually reply back.

Errr... What next? :D

5:00 PM  
Blogger Abi said...

Hi, I realize now that it was my mistake to have seen email addresses where there were none. I was taken in by e-mail id's of organizations, and that is clearly my mistake.


7:08 PM  
Blogger anantha said...

i know one person who does a guest lecture at iipm. they pay around thousand rupees for each lecture. that's really piddly. but that's what most institutes pay (in india). the guest lecturers are not aware of the iipm can of worms. if they do, i am sure they'll stay away. one more thing, the indian government has issued a clarification that from now on they'll keep a close watch on education ads. they've issued an informal guideline that, from now on, institutes cannot make tall claims in their ads without backing it with solid evidence. wonder when the government will wake up to the tall claims being made in websites.

7:53 PM  
Blogger maverick said...

For the sake of repeating what everyone's said, 'Great Work!' Power to the people! :)

9:08 PM  
Blogger Heh Heh said...

Thalassa, very impressed.

9:24 PM  
Blogger Soumyadip said...

You've already got a lot many kudos. But I think that's not enough for the job you've done. Add mine to the list, to the power of n.

The hunch, which we always had, is now out in black and white. But now the news should reach the ones who have had their careers ruined and the ones with the possibility to. I really feel sad for the students. But atleast the word is out, and possibly the mistakes of the past will not be repeated henceforth.

The university I studied in - reportedly a one of its kind in Asia - also followed a principle of 30% in-house faculty and 70% outsourced to guests. But thankfully they didn't make tall claims, only some small ones. I'm itching to take on my alma mater, but I didn't feel cheated. In fact I got more in return than the RS. 24,000 which I paid for a full-time two-year course.

10:43 PM  
Anonymous Sakshi said...

This is simply excellant.

Wonder why are so-called "main-stream" media didn't bother to do even half as much research !!! Money Talks...i guess.

11:01 PM  
Blogger the still dancer said...

ummm...please mail urgently. tehelka journalist wants to speak with you. if possible, mail me your number, so i can pass it on to him. he wants those e-mail addresses so he can carry a legally substantiated story. the same chap who left a comment above. avinash

11:24 PM  
Blogger Ankur said...


11:45 PM  
Blogger thalassa_mikra said...

TC, Prasad, Michael, Sagnik, Pidus, thanks!
And Michael, I agree with you when you say that paid reporters working for newspapers will remain the source for serious journalism. All that we bloggers do is facilitate and supplement.

Abi, no problem at all.

Anantha, I think that perhaps there should be professional regulatory bodies drawing membership from the educational institution to complement any government regulatory authorities.
It works in many industries, why not private professional education?

Maverick, Fingeek, thanks!

Soumyadip, I don't think a large percentage of guest faculty is a problem per se, and may actually be quite desirable in professional programmes.

And I really don't feel that all is lost for IIPM. All they need to do is tone down the rhetoric, address the lacunae that prevents them from getting AICTE recognition, and stop the reckless expansion.

Sakshi, I don't think it's about the money. Most mainstream reporters have very little time to work on stories, it took me almost a week to collect this info, a luxury that a lot of mainstream reporters don't possess.

Arka, sorry for the delay. Have already mailed you.

Ankur, yes, wow indeed.

12:42 AM  
Blogger Bonatellis said...

Anantha: I know of a shady college in Bandra (Mumbai) which 2 yrs back offered ME (?, of all ppl) 5k for a guest lecture on journalism ...
so the 1k on offer for IIPM guest lecturers gives enough indication of the quality of people they invite ...

1:34 AM  
Blogger makash said...

great work.

I have mailed the permalink of this post to bangalore bloggers ( a google group of who else but bloggers in bangalore ). Hope you don't mind

1:54 AM  
Blogger Abhishek said...

That is astoundingly brilliant piece of work!!! Congratulations!! And thank you!!

I am linking to this post on my blog!

This is the kind of stuff we want googlers to come across when they search for IIPM.

Because as I see it, the news media does not seem to taking the issue up!


2:29 AM  
Anonymous Anat said...

great work thalassa.
let truth prevail!

3:34 AM  
Blogger Nirav said...

What I am going to say here is nothing new... I have just one word : Amazing, Brilliant, Superb (sorry... thats 3 words) but this is really a great piece of work. I hope that now the MSM would take this up and publish all the bullshit for the entire world to read.

Btw, did I say that this was a brilliant piece of work!!.... great job

3:42 AM  
Blogger K said...

See, now you should get a book contract from Penguin India soon!
65+ comments. Killer!

4:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't get this:

The IIPM permanent faculty list ( has active links to only two subjects taught, Econ. and IS.

A cursory look at them at: and


a. That teachers are wonderfully multidimensional and multi-disciplinary (outside of Delhi)
b. To be multi-disciplinary you need an IIPM MBA, or so the five of them have.

Wonderful! Econ. & IS. Wonder what the other links will reveal if they ever go live. All of the subjects being taught by the same teacher? Who know...


r0xr on bloghers!

4:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And what sort of *respectable* Management Institute would dare put up links, on the foot of *every* page to: (woo hoo!!) (that's so 1970's. groovy? yeah mom, i got a groovy job!)

And why is this page blank?

The only Wilton Park of any use is at but a google site search reveals nada.


r0xr on bloghers!

4:35 AM  
Anonymous Abhishek said...

great work... you rock.

4:40 AM  
Blogger Satish Jha aka Satya said...

great investigation work pal ..
even i did a small sort of investigation at IIPM mumbai ,and found one thing which is missing in every servey and investigation ..
IIPM ranks#1 in incampus road safety in whole world

4:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm on a roll!!

"IIPM's faculty have been recognized and ordained as being experts in their respective fields. The European Commission funded Wilton Park Conference recently rated IIPM faculty as being in the top 50 leading thinkers of South Asia."


Yes, its a Google Cache as they have changed the original page.

And this from a site that apparently sells free lance programmers.

"Planman Consulting. BPO, Marketing, Research, T&D, Web, Content Management, Media."

So that's what they do?!

Again, a Google Cache...

Ok, UNDP time now....


"The Indian Institute of Planning & Management is the UNDP key partner institution in India to implement the Leadership for Results Programme 2003."

From the link above.

"In India, the programme has been offered to all the above mentioned constituencies. The PLWHA
leadership workshop was organised in partnership with INP+, NACO and IIPM (Indian Institute
of Planning and Management)."

Key partner? Yeah right....

World Bank Institute time now:

"IPM has been nominated by the World Bank Institute to be on their steering committee for the Corporate Social Responsibility conference 2003.

From the same link as the UNDP one.



I feel sorry for the Indian Institute for Production Management at

r0xr on bloghers!

5:10 AM  
Blogger thalassa_mikra said...

Bonatellis, I've been out of India for 5 years now, so 1k per lecture sounds pretty good to me. Wow, they offered 5k per lecture? Or was it per session?

Makash, thanks. Sure, go ahead.

Abhishek thanks. As far as I know, a lot of news channels and magazines are taking up the issue.

Anat, Nirav, thanks.

K, I think I should get an offer from Arindam's publishers as a sequel to his book. What happens when you count your chickens before they hatch :).

Anonymous, Wilton Park organizes over 50 conferences a year. One of their conferences was on South Asia and Arindam was invited to present a paper. There is no record either on Wilton Park's website or online of them referring to IIPM Faculty as part of 50 leading thinkers in Asia.

The UNDP connection is the participation of A Sandeep (IIPM All-India Dean) in one of their AIDS awareness programme committees. As for World Bank, yes nada there.

11:10 AM  
Blogger thalassa_mikra said...

Abhishek, Satish, thanks. You mean safety walking in their corridors? I thought their campus was basically one big tower.

11:12 AM  
Anonymous Jay said...

AWESOME RESEARCH YAAR...Being a journalism student, I must admit it is one of THE BEST first-person researches I have come across in a long, long time....Kudos to u...TO HELL WITH IIPM I say....

11:47 AM  
Anonymous MSM-Scribe said...

Mz. Mikra,

Your research, as it were, is inconclusive. What is the 'evidence' you have gathered? What is the hypothesis it proves?

Nada. Zilch. Zero.

IIPM is, and has for 33 years, taught entrepreneurship and business. It does so at world-class quality levels.

Your 'journalism' from a zillion miles away, based solely on emails (which you've probably made up), is nothing but a childish and jealous reaction...

What is your objective here? There are no students being cheated! Heck, if there were, they would take appropriate action. Their parents would, too!

Exactly what do you understand of IIPM India, cocooned in LA? How can you deem yourself to be a judge?

Your 'research' stinks of irresponsibility. How do you sleep at night?


12:04 PM  
Anonymous MSMscribe said...

You know why people depend on MSM and not bloggers for thier information:
- because there is a chain of command
- because editors ensure accuracy
- because copy desk's fact check

and because there is a responsiblity and ethical component in writing a story.

You shoot your mouth off - tomorrow you could examine Wal-Mart's 'Everyday Low Prices' marketing statement and examine empirically how this is not absolutely true .5% of the time.

Pulitzer time?

Juvenile delinquent, with too much time on your hands!

You have no idea of how much value add IIPM gives its students. You've never been close to a campus.

Main stram media, be it NDTV's Prannoy Roy or Tehelka's Tarun Tejpal, have all visited IIPM's campus and talked to the students and faculty... they know the truth and appreciate the sincerity of the institute.


...not your pile of stinking lies piled up in a illogicaltrain of thought. Libel. Malicious. Fuelled by jealousy.


12:13 PM  
Blogger thalassa_mikra said...

Yay, yay, my first two IIPM defender comments! Thank you, for gracing my blog. I'm honoured.

As you notice, I have not drawn any conclusions from the emails, but allowed everyone to draw their own conclusions. Guess what? They seem to have all drawn the same conclusions! The evidence are the emails. The hypotheses are:

"The degree offered by IIPM, as recognized by IMI has no validity conferred by the Belgian government"

"The international alliances claimed by IIPM do not have any significant association with them"

Both stand proved. Perhaps I should try plotting the responses on SPSS regression charts. The results would look like the star spangled banner.

"world-class quality"? I shall judicially notarize this statement and send it off to Kellogg, Wharton and Harvard.

Mr MSM scribe, I have offered the facility of access to the original emails, if only you would leave your email address please.

Jealous of IIPM?

No students are being cheated? Sure, students in India have become so blase that they don't seem to care that their IMI degree is not worth the paper it's printed on.

Thank you for your concern. I sleep very well.

1:17 PM  
Blogger thalassa_mikra said...

As for your second comment, I honestly do not understand what your point is, besides calling me names, which is absolutely fine with me (especially the juvenile delinquent bit :) ).

You have to understand that at no point have I claimed to compete with the MSM in India. I truly believe they do an excellent job, and am far more optimistic about the media in India than many other bloggers are. In fact, I do not claim to be a journalist at all (jokes about Pulitzer apart).

Surely it is members of the MSM who should be and are taking the story up, and my role is merely to facilitate that task.

Oh by the way, just for the record, I worked three months in an organization located right next to IIPM's old campus (you know the one, the dilapidated sarkari-looking building in Lodi Institutional Area).

1:25 PM  
Blogger MCK said...

We strongly urge those 'responsible' members of the media to please come and talk to us directly about such questions regarding our alliances; we will show you our certifications!

Do not cheapen yourselves and those of your esteemed news papers - I'm sure ‘MS scribe’ - as your post to defend us was that of a TOI reporter, TOI reporters have been buzzing into our offices like flies this past week with ridiculous questions, hope you are not one of them.

Secondly, We distance ourselves away from those who defend IIPM - mainly because you all are the very same individuals that have talked lies about us to the Globe and Mail in Canada about our Toronto office. TOI perfectly knew that our Toronto center of education was merely a consulting office of PlanmanConsulting being run by our highly respected partner - Ms. Rohini Mehtani. We never said we had a university branch there.
Politically motivated media papers like TOI said that.

We also have a blog now ( & where we will be stating all our answers to the questions posed by bloggers or other online 'journalists'. We at the management in IIPM have listened, and now we will respond!

1:57 PM  
Anonymous Brainstormer said...

OMG!! ....They actually started their own blogs!! ...ROTFL!! The legal cell has started blogging!! ....Guy's, For god's sakes!, get back to mailing those notarized lawsuits! .....they were hilarious!;))

Thalassa, gr8 work. It an amazing post!! ....the best piece of investigative reporting i've ever seen!!!

8:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am tempted to dig up more dirt on IIPM but it's getting tedious now. How much wood can a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

TM, MSM_Scribe makes you sound hawt! Delinquent, juvenile...can I get your number already?!


r0xr on bloghers!

9:21 PM  
Blogger 42510 said...

thalassa and K.. I was talking not abt the pony tailed son, but about the pig headed dad :) when I mentioned, that given his degrees (Berlin) and work (IMT/IIM B/ X IMB) seem suspect, we should investigate where he schooled..
Maybe his is another, high school dropout's rags to riches story ;)

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Blogger Abhishek said...

really lol..
heh heh...
The legal cell blogging...
I have been just laughing laughing laughing.. cant stop...
anyways... i duly visited the blog... heh heh... (sorry cant stop)... and there is some psychophantic article... on one and another article on some sustainable growth this.

12:08 AM  
Blogger K said...

Wow! I'm jealous, I only got threats! Anyway, my latest diatrebe is on education.

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Blogger K said...

By the way, why would anybody responsible call themselves MSM-Scribe and two TOI journos flocking like flies to IIPM. I guess that is because TOI decided to not carry a pro-IIPM story. Heck, we should cheer TOI for not doing anything rather than doing something for the other side.

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1:32 AM  
Blogger dhanur said...

Really Slick work.

It's crazy the stuff that is going on around the web, and in the media. My guess, IIPM's going to get into some deep shit, worst case shut down because,
* The bad PR will (very very) slowly hit the million mega rich mega numb nuts who probably think its a cool place to get a degree/meet arindam chowchow (wtf is philip kotler anyway?)/learn billiards and surf the net on their wi-fi enabled sony psps (numbnuts do not use laptops, and even if they do they wont figure out how to connect to a wireless network)
* They seriously wont be able to take the hit if one of these overpassionate blogger/journalist know his way with the law. I wont be surprised if their ad claims and misused references, is somewhere somehow a punishable offence. And if they actually issued a legal notice, they're royally J'd.
* Arindam Chowchow will kill himself cos of the number of takes on the title of his book(let). Some of the funniest ones I've read "Count your Chickens before they crack", "Count your universities before they're founded" and now my contribution "Count your balls before you scratch" After all, if he kills himself, the other able employees (janitors, wi-fi technicians, PR specialists, Mrs. Chowchow) will not be able to carry the flame of this esteemed institute forward.

But on a serious note, this is really power to the Media. To its users, the bloggers, journalists etc, who've been rallying opinion and mobilising support through its medium, and to it's misusers (the name that shall not be said loud, ok for IIPM students who will not understand, the misuser is IIPM)


12:35 PM  
Blogger Anil said...

I am tired of arguing about IIPM with one of my friend’s sister (an IIPM student) and her colleagues, IIPM has used propaganda so effectively that these morons refuse to believe anything published exposing IIPM; wonder if IIPM replaced all of them with androids, just emailed your article to all of them. Hope it will bring them out of the Matrix.

Also I am seriously contemplating a visit to IMI, Brussels. A return train journey from Paris with a under 25 years card costs 35 Euros. I think I can spare that much to escape the agony of spending 1 hour every day replying to the mails of all the “zombie” IIPM students.

7:46 AM  
Blogger thalassa_mikra said...

Eki Dr. Chaudhuri! Bhelcome, bhelcome, ki shoubhagya!

Brainstormer, thanks!

Anonymous, digging into them is like peeling an onion. In the end you are left with.....(ok that was stolen from Umberto Eco).

42510, I think the Presidency connection is being probed (I hope).

Abhishek, both the blogs seem to have chunks from the website pasted as posts.

That's weird right K? Many more people read you but few leave comments. BTW, K's latest post on education is fantastic. "TOI journos flitting in like flies". I like the imagery.

Vishnu, thanks for the link.

Anonymous, hmm...I see the same level of satisfaction over free food at seminar annoucements here as in India (damn students are the same everywhere).

Dhanur, thanks! Honestly, I don't think they'd shut down. In fact I don't even wish for it, merely that they clean up their act a bit. And speaking of Chowchow's death makes me sad and seems very extreme(I'm weird that way, I don't take morbid jokes too well).

11:19 AM  
Blogger thalassa_mikra said...

Anonymous hon, shouldn't this declaration of undying love be placed in K's blog (see K that's what's going on, your commenters are leaving comments on my blog).

As for K's blog, I'm not exactly important, but I remain a fan.

And my dear, since you are relatively new to this blog business let me explain certain things. Just because you post anonymous comments doesn't mean you can't be traced. In fact, I know the exact IP address that you are using. And given that institutional connections have logs, You can be traced to the exact workstation and login that you used to post these comments.

Perhaps you'd like to see your phone and address splashed everywhere? And imagine the embarrassment if you are indeed the IIPM faculty I think you are.

Anil, I highly recommend a trip to Brussels (IMI or not). It's a pretty city, and if you decide on a longer visit there is the gorgeou Leuven (Louvain) just half an hour away. Take the Paris-Cologne Eurostar (that's what it's called right?). Fabulous train.

11:35 AM  
Blogger Tushar Kulkarni said...

A dose of sarcasm ...

Enjoy! ;-)


8:28 PM  
Anonymous sharad singh said...

It is really cool

I hope we guys are able to close down IIPM .

I hope it happens one day

sharad singh

12:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gosh!! Quite an Investigation. I second the tought that why an institute needs to talk of partnership that might have existed in the '90s. The entire blog is very much objectified and has no room for speculation. Like to see what the IIPMPR guys are up to, may be egard to throw up some more law suits. great work.

3:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just wanted to understand your blog as I had some confusion still ;) Has IIPM claimed anywhere that it has alliances with Nestle or Sulzer etc? Or is it that you are simply showing one side of the story? Do not the emails that you have received actually show that people whose names are mentioned actually have interacted with IIPM? Because as much as I can see this is what seems to me.

I'll await your clarification (which surprisingly no one else has pointed out to you till now)...

11:03 AM  
Blogger thalassa_mikra said...

Tushar, thanks for the link.

Sharad, honestly I'd rather see IIPM reform themselves. I don't like the idea of an institution closing down.

Samiran, thanks.

Anonymous, I have provided a link to the page where IIPM claims alliances with people working in Nestle, Sulzer etc. Nowhere have I said that IIPM claims an alliance with the company per se.

If I wanted to be one-sided, then I wouldn't include the emails by IMI and Marc Van Gastel. There was a lot of speculation in blogs that no teaching takes place in IMI at all. Glad to report that is not the case.

Interaction is one thing, claiming alliance is another altogether. How many reputed educational institutions would claim allegiance with someone who's merely hosted the students for a half-a-day company field trip?

1:23 PM  
Blogger N.V.Balaji said...

I came to read the article through Hindustan Times reporting. Looks like you have done quite an amount of investigation. Though I did not check the veracity of the mails, I appreciate your interest, tenacity and preseverance towards getting the right information. Keep it up and Good Luck

3:32 AM  
Blogger Mridula said...

There is a latest ad I saw in Indian Express that I saw, where IIPM claims that someone is misrepresenting them on her personal tabloid regarding that Berlin School of Economics thing!!

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

your comments are right. All of them and you shoul investigate another Institution based in Barcelona called "European University". The Director Dr. Craen is doing the same issue with students and faculty member.

He is putting the money of the students in his private bank account

10:44 AM  
Anonymous Syd's Ballet said...

Check this out.
Ms. Malfroy's mistake
Mistakes do occur.
The very very very very is not specific to any institute, it is the common language of Ms. Malfroy and as you find here, she has committed a mistake in this case. Similar attempts at institutions which remain private and do not approach the Belgian authorities like IMI etc. Regarding the similarities between IMI, Belgium and EBMS, see Rob Stammen's reply at Goto Rob Stammen's reply

Same is the case with IIPM. Do we really have to put our belief in the accredition by the UGC. I request you all to kindly visit the dark alleys of cities like Kanpur, Meerut and many many others. They are full of AICTE, UGC and other 'responsible' associations' accredited institutions for MBA, Engg, Dental Medicine, and even MBBS. The real fraudulators are the zillion colleges who are operating with not more than a house with a balcony and a few rooms dubbed as classrooms, unfortunately very much accredited and 'recognized' by our very own AICTE, UGC, MCI, etc. I wonder why hundreds of blogs are only aimed against IIPM, while no person cares for those wandering in the streets with MBA degrees from 'recognized' institutions, without apt knowledge for getting a decent job. I understand that being aggressive in a marketing campaign smacks of overconfidence and a tinge of irresponsibility too. Targeting IIMs should not be the approach to establishing the innovative teaching and learning techniques of IIPM. But truly, the education structure, the faculty, the guest lectures, the National Economic Planning presentations and the extremely challenging and demanding work schedules are a part and parcel of IIPM and I doubt whether such a wonderful mix of innovation and established principles can be found anywhere. I believe this is what they should advertise aggressively. The faculty are mostly (I say mostly because, yes, there are some who aren't not up to the mark, but this is the case with even the IIMs) drawn from industrial backgrounds. Labour Law is taught by a person who was an HR at Maruti Udyog for more than ten years, Accounts is taught by professional CAs, Finance is taught by those with experience in IndiaBulls and ICICI, Marketing Research is taught by someone who's worked for more than ten years at Nielsen, just to quote a few. IIPM students NEVER feel cheated - ask anyone who has passed from here in the past twenty years. The quality of students is definitely not as good as that of IIMs owing to IIMs selecting the cream of Indian students (definitely the handful of students selected by IIMs get the advantage of exclusivity), but some of the students at IIPM every year (I say every year) amaze the visiting companies and the faculty alike with their innovative skills and go-get-it approach. Then there are a few who achieved fine scores in CATs (not enough for IIMs but enough for IMT, FORE, etc., myself included, I had even got admitted in IMT and TAPMI), but chose to dare - and dared to think beyond standardized, accredited, institutionalized, or recognized formal education systems.
A standard day at IIPM begins at 8.30 in the morning with classes, discussions, class room assignments, book discussions, news analysis, and the 'famous' presentations (ask an IIPM student, and he/she will always remember the emphasis on presentations, which are held in at least one subject almost every day). The teachers are extremely cooperative, most of them entertaining students' queries even after classes, on the phone, on email, and even at their homes. Professionalism is not something that takes a formal structure here. Students learn it as it is inculcated by observing their seniors and their teachers. After the hectic day's schedule which often ends around 6.30 in the evening, the students feel every penny of their money is being paid back in worth. Life is about learning. The education at IIPM is an experience that cannot be shared by those who missed it. Unfortunately our society is marred by the hoard towards placements placements and placements, forgetting that what matters in life is what you've learned, not where you've been placed. It will take some time to reach the standards of IIMs and thus reach their level of recognition (which will automatically bring 'placements' to IIPM campuses, of which I am not concerned). But regarding economics and finance, the extreme emphasis on these subjects at IIPM change the paradigm of thinking of almost all the students here, and the whole world seems a different place, each bit falling in its piece, each piece filling its place, like the Neo of The Matrix, the codes that govern societies start to make meaning. The NEP (National Economic Planning) is a subject at IIPM which surpasses the level of innovation anywhere else. Here students have to research upon and frame their views regarding current economic issues, from Globalization to the Fortune at the Bottom of the Pyramid, from Socialism to Sustainable Development. And the gruelling is tough - no student can escape the hard work behind the topics and the revelations that this hard work makes is extremely rewarding as a citizen of this country and as a concerned human in the world. I am not making any claims here, or posting any information from IIPM websites. These are reflections from my own experience, the most wonderful days of my life.

3:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gr8 article! Can u plz tell me more about UIBS..i need 2 know if aibs and bbs are fake and if not then what is their education license worth?..thank you!

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great Work and a personal thanks from me.

11:30 PM  
Anonymous IIM MBA CAT said...

well whatever is the position of IIpm, but it is offering quite remarkable placements

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Anonymous Max said...

Well said Syd!I share the same thing!I wonder why dont corporate companies do not dig so much about IIPM before offering fat packages to their students!I mean companies like Satyam,Oracle,HSBC etc

Can someone do some investigation on this too please?

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